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==== Door Seals ==== | == Locks & Keys == | ||
* Many builders decide to put the door seals on the fuselage side instead of onto the inside of the door.<br>Two McMaster order numbers are being used: 1120A311 (lip on inside, 3/16 edge, 3/8 high) and 1120A313 (lip on outside, 3/16 edge, 3/8 high).<br>Builders usually sacrifice one set of seals as mold to form out the edges, then replace it with a clean second set. This procedure will need 100 ft total.<br>See also: | See [[Door Locks]] for more information. | ||
== Seals == | |||
=== Cabin Door Seals === | |||
* Many builders decide to put the door seals on the fuselage side instead of onto the inside of the door.<br>Two McMaster order numbers are being used: [https://www.mcmaster.com/1120A311 1120A311] (lip on inside, 3/16 edge thickness, 3/8 high):<br>[[File:Screen Shot 2024-03-21 at 1.59.37 PM.png|300x300px]]<br>[[File:McMasterSeal.jpg|300x300px]]<br>[[File:McMaster2.jpg|300x300px]]<br>'''1120A311'''<br> and 1120A313 (lip on outside, 3/16 edge thickness, 3/8 high). Since you are building up the inside edge, the lip is better to be on the inside as the groove for it will automatically form when using a throwaway seal as mold.<br>Some builders prefer the 1120A411 variant which is for 1/4 edge thick edges.<br>Builders usually sacrifice one set of seals as mold to form out the edges, then replace it with a clean second set. This procedure will need 100 ft total.<br>Some builders experience a gap where the ends meet after some time, see this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/8671462906308065 FB thread].<br>See also: | |||
** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/5447766402011081 FB thread] | ** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/5447766402011081 FB thread] | ||
** [https://marksfamilyrv10.wordpress.com/2019/02/14/doors-kinda-of-seal-it-up/ Mark's builder log] | ** [https://marksfamilyrv10.wordpress.com/2019/02/14/doors-kinda-of-seal-it-up/ Mark's builder log] | ||
** [https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=218680 VAF thread] | ** [https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=218680 VAF thread] | ||
** [https://vansairforce.net/threads/mcmaster-door-seal-edge-forming.153155/ VAF thread] | |||
** [https://airplane.allanglen.com/2023/10/28/door-seals-and-latches/ Glen's builder log] | |||
** [http://buildingrv10.blogspot.com/2014/02/starting-door-seals.html Justin Twilbeck's log] | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BirT35dY-QQ BuildFlyGo's video] | |||
** [https://ivankristensen.smugmug.com/Building-an-RV-10-EXPERIMENTAL-aircraft/Cabin-doors/i-fbs77m4/A Ivan Kristensen's video] with door trim measurements | |||
** [https://ivankristensen.smugmug.com/Building-an-RV-10-EXPERIMENTAL-aircraft/Cabin-doors Ivan Kristensen's door seal photos] (now on smugmug, no longer on ivankristensen.phanfare.com). The sparse text for photos is available on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20150111090452/http://ivankristensen.phanfare.com/2292606_3334806 web archive]. | |||
** [[Media:RV-10 McMaster Carr Door Seal Installation Compilation.pdf|Les Kearney's door seal compilation pdf]] (originally posted to the Matronics mailing list) | |||
** [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/7639470282840671 FB thread] | |||
* Some builders use the standard Vans way of putting the seals on the doors but use better seals sold by McMaster. | |||
** See [https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=221469 VAF thread] | |||
=== Luggage Door Seals === | |||
* [https://www.aircraftdoorseals.com/ Aircraft Door Seals]<br>[[File:2023-12-16 18-31-07.jpg|533x533px]] | |||
* See also this [https://vansairforce.net/community/showthread.php?t=222256 VAF Thread] | |||
== Door Strut Upgrades == | |||
* [https://planearound.com/shop/ols/products/door-strut-attach-brackets-set-of-two Upgraded strut brackets] (especially useful if you use McMaster door seals) | |||
* [https://store.vansaircraft.com/c-1016-hd-rv-10-heavy-duty-door-strut-c-1016-hd.html Heavy Duty Door Strut from Vans (600 instead of 500N)] | |||
* [https://store.easylift.com/a1a1f50-100-287-600n/ Bansbach easylift door strut A1A1F50-100-287 part#10017Y1 (600N instead of 500N, call to order)] | |||
* Ordering 650N at Bansbach: Select the 650N version of [https://store.easylift.com/b0n0f50-100-247-xxxn/ B0N0F50-100-247/XXXN], add 2 of those, then add 4 of the end fittings [https://store.easylift.com/end-fittings/a1-m8-aluminum-hinge-eye-endfitting/ A1 M8 Aluminum Hinge Eye Endfitting]. These end fittings yield a total length of the 287mm similar to the other fully assembled struts. First timers can try coupon code 15PERCENTOFF. | |||
* [https://www.myrv10.com/N104CD/maintenance/20230111_Lift_Struts/ Tim Olson's build page on struts] | |||
* Door strut hardware [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/4863472447107149 (FB 3/22/2022)] | |||
* See also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/8705872866200402 FB thread]. | |||
==== | == Hinges == | ||
* [https://brassmonkey.tech/store/ Machined hinge capture plates] make removing and re-installing the doors much easier | |||
* [https://www.airward.com/collections/airward-vans-rv10-kits/products/rv-10-mdhck-rv-10-main-door-hinge-cover-kit Airward hinge reinforcement kit], see this [[https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6929142440540129 FB thread 1/2024] | |||
== Other Enhanced Door Parts / Kits / Upgrades == | |||
* [https://www.aerosportproducts.com Aerosport Products] | * [https://www.aerosportproducts.com Aerosport Products] | ||
** [https://www.aerosportproducts.com/product/rv-10-low-profile-door-handle/ Low Profile Door Handle] | ** [https://www.aerosportproducts.com/product/rv-10-low-profile-door-handle/ Low Profile Door Handle] | ||
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* [https://planearound.com/shop Planearound], see also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6065285950259120 FB thread] | * [https://planearound.com/shop Planearound], see also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6065285950259120 FB thread] | ||
== | == 180 Degree Door Latch and Low Profile Handle Hints == | ||
* | * The Aerosport door handle kit assumes a bonded wall thickness of approximately 0.160 inches. It does not include a mechanism to accommodate deviations from this thickness.<br>If the door mechanism holes are drilled prior to bonding, and clecos are used during curing, the door halves may compress tightly in the lock area. This can result in a final wall thickness of only about 0.112 inches—leaving a 0.050-inch discrepancy. This difference will cause the outer lock cover to sit proud and not flush with the surface.<br>Conversely, if your wall thickness exceeds 0.160 inches, the lock cylinder will sit recessed within the outer cover.<br>For doors with thinner walls, a workaround is to fabricate a spacer to mount beneath the strike plate. This spacer should have holes that match the diameter of those in the door skin. For doors with thicker walls, consider designing a 3D-printed collar around the lock cylinder that will raise it to be flush with the cover.<br>See also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/10086580921462916 FB Post]<br>[[File:2025-07-09 12-48-09.jpg|100px]] | ||
* PlaneAround 180 degree latch together with Aerosport interior door handle beauty cover causing binding [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/5427322947388760 (FB 10/11/2022)] | |||
* PlaneAround 180 degree latch together with Aerosport interior door handle causing binding [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/5427322947388760 (FB 10/11/2022)] | |||
* PlaneAround [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6065285950259120/ FB thread] | * PlaneAround [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6065285950259120/ FB thread] | ||
* Low profile handle + 180 degree [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6194339494020431/ FB thread] | * Low profile handle + 180 degree [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6194339494020431/ FB thread 6/2023], [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6496382083816169/ FB thread 9/2023] [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/6712170572237318/ FB thread 11/2023] | ||
* Documentation set at [https://planearound.com/shop/ols/categories/rv10 Planearound], includes [https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/85ec6025-f02d-4bd9-b354-d9bef14e3672/downloads/e338c50b-3a76-446a-920a-64b0f7271a21/Door%20Mechanism%20Installation%20Compilation%20Docume.pdf?ver=1738948265394 link] to document written by David Peterson which is a revised Vans chapter 45 document with the various modifications compiled in | |||
* [https://www.airplane.build/2021/08/door-latching-progress.html Damazio's write-up] of the 180 degree door latch install | |||
* Videos | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZPJEq558tM Ed's low profile door handle install] | |||
** [https://youtu.be/Ql6YQF2Zogc?t=552 Austin's door latch and handle install] | |||