SECTION 27: FIREWALL - Revision history

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	If you are going to install any sort additional heat/fire protection on the hot side of the firewall, you probably want to hold off on installing the VENT TG-10-L until after you have finished that process. Although now would be a great time to prep/trim any such additional insulation, you can't install it until much later when all of the rivets are complete.		If you are going to install any sort additional heat/fire protection on the hot side of the firewall, you probably want to hold off on installing the VENT TG-10-L and TG-10-R (or their stainless steel version) until after you have finished that process. Although now would be a great time to prep/trim any such additional insulation, you can't install it until much later when all of the rivets are complete.


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	Plans for the heat box are a 1 pager and separate to all the other Vans plans. A copy is here		Plans for the heat box are a 1 pager and separate to all the other Vans plans. A copy is here
	[[File:Heat Box plans.jpg\|thumb\|Heat box plans]]		[[File:Heat Box plans.jpg\|thumb\|Heat box plans]]

			If you are going to install any sort additional heat/fire protection on the hot side of the firewall, you probably want to hold off on installing the VENT TG-10-L until after you have finished that process. Although now would be a great time to prep/trim any such additional insulation, you can't install it until much later when all of the rivets are complete.


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Before You Start

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	* Consider how you want to pass control cables through the firewall (more details below)		* Consider how you want to pass control cables through the firewall (more details below)
	* Consider putting one or two [https://www.airward.com/products/rv-10-tunnel-access-cs-screws-rv-10-tunnel-access-w-countersunk-screws side-access panels] for easier access to the tunnel later without having to remove the forward top cover.		* Consider putting one or two [https://www.airward.com/products/rv-10-tunnel-access-cs-screws-rv-10-tunnel-access-w-countersunk-screws side-access panels] for easier access to the tunnel later without having to remove the forward top cover.
			* Consider if you want to provide insulation and/or additional fire protection on the hot side of the firewall. Some people use Lava Shield and Dan Horton offers a FiberFrax kit. You can't install anything like this until all of the riveting is done much later, but you may want to trim and otherwise prepare before the firewall is installed since it will be much easier to do it when flat on a table.

	=== Firewall Breakdown ===		=== Firewall Breakdown ===

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Step 6

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	One of the nutplates mounted to F-1001B is mounted on the forward side of the firewall, which means you don't need to countersink the mounting holes into F-1001B for that one nutplate (as shown on page 27-5).		One of the nutplates mounted to F-1001B is mounted on the forward side of the firewall, which means you don't need to countersink the mounting holes into F-1001B for that one nutplate (as shown on page 27-5).

			Note that every #30 and #40 hole on the firewall needs to be dimpled flush on the forward side except the two forward-mounted nutplates as already mentioned. Do NOT dimple any of the larger holes. The flanges also need to be dimpled to accept the forward fuselage skins.

	===== Step 7 =====		===== Step 7 =====

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	Step 2: I don't know how you are supposed to rivet F-1039D to the firewall recess. My rivet gun won't fit into the recess. I used a double-offset back rivet head (not included in the standard tool kits for RV-10) on the inside of the firewall but it wasn't the cleanest rivet job.		Step 2: I don't know how you are supposed to rivet F-1039D to the firewall recess. My rivet gun won't fit into the recess. I used a double-offset back rivet head (not included in the standard tool kits for RV-10) on the inside of the firewall but it wasn't the cleanest rivet job.

			If you will be using the stock oil cooler, now is the easiest time to rivet the mounting box onto the firewall. Consider doing all six steps from FF1-2 at this time.

	Note: most people replace the aluminum TG-10-R and TG-10-L cabin heat selector boxes with stainless steel versions. You also might want to insulate the cabin from these valves so that heat doesn't transfer even when the valves are closed. See photos here: https://vansairforce.net/threads/whats-the-current-situation-with-tunnel-heat.229428/post-1791102		Note: most people replace the aluminum TG-10-R and TG-10-L cabin heat selector boxes with stainless steel versions. You also might want to insulate the cabin from these valves so that heat doesn't transfer even when the valves are closed. See photos here: https://vansairforce.net/threads/whats-the-current-situation-with-tunnel-heat.229428/post-1791102

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Kirkbauer at 14:43, 23 February 2025

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	== PAGE 27-1 ==		=== Notes ===

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	You may want to trim the flanges of F-1001M Left Side Angle and F-1001D Right Side Angle. The bold text in Section 29, page 29-14 indicates that it is acceptable to do so, but I think it would be a lot easier to do it here. You'll need to be able to match-drill four holes and each end of each Side Angle is in the way of that match drill.		You may want to trim the flanges of F-1001M Left Side Angle and F-1001D Right Side Angle. The bold text in Section 29, page 29-14 indicates that it is acceptable to do so, but I think it would be a lot easier to do it here. You'll need to be able to match-drill four holes and each end of each Side Angle is in the way of that match drill.
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	[[File:2024-10-09 20.43.27.jpg\|thumb\|Trimmed bottom flange of F-1001M Left Side Angle in order to fit my angle drill bit in for the match drill.]]		[[File:2024-10-09 20.43.27.jpg\|thumb\|Trimmed bottom flange of F-1001M Left Side Angle in order to fit my angle drill bit in for the match drill.]]

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	* For additional info on the firewall in general, see also section [[QB_Fuselage]]		* For additional info on the firewall in general, see also section [[QB_Fuselage]]
	* Step 3: Plan your control cables pass-throughs before drilling here -- you may not want to drill these even for a Lycoming engine.
			===== Step 3 =====
			* Plan your control cables pass-throughs before drilling here -- you may not want to drill these even for a Lycoming engine.
	* Some people have used an "eyeball" type here that may require different spacing than the pre-punched holes provided in the kit.<br>Many use these for the control cable penetrations (at Spruce: [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/eyeballfw2.php EYEBALL FIREWALL FITTING- SS PRESSURE PLATE - STEEL TTP]):<br>[[File:Eyeball Pass-thru.png]]<br>More products are here: https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s/ <br>You may need to order custom diameter pass-throughs [https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s-custom/ here], for example, the California "176-VTT"-type Push Pull cables have an OD of .34, so a custom OD of .345 may be appropriate. You can also order double hole ones [https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s-custom/ here]<br>[[File:Screen Shot 2023-09-18 at 9.23.27 PM.png\|300px]].		* Some people have used an "eyeball" type here that may require different spacing than the pre-punched holes provided in the kit.<br>Many use these for the control cable penetrations (at Spruce: [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/eyeballfw2.php EYEBALL FIREWALL FITTING- SS PRESSURE PLATE - STEEL TTP]):<br>[[File:Eyeball Pass-thru.png]]<br>More products are here: https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s/ <br>You may need to order custom diameter pass-throughs [https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s-custom/ here], for example, the California "176-VTT"-type Push Pull cables have an OD of .34, so a custom OD of .345 may be appropriate. You can also order double hole ones [https://www.firewallfittings.com/product/ttp-s-custom/ here]<br>[[File:Screen Shot 2023-09-18 at 9.23.27 PM.png\|300px]].
	* Look ahead in the plans to see if you want to do the double plastic bushing. The RV-14 kit uses an FF-00001 to penetrate the firewall:<br>[[File:Ff-00001.png\|659x659px]]		* Look ahead in the plans to see if you want to do the double plastic bushing. The RV-14 kit uses an FF-00001 to penetrate the firewall:<br>[[File:Ff-00001.png\|659x659px]]
	* Many people have used the following pass-thru with the RV-10 (at Spruce: [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ssfirewallkit12-04762.php?clickkey=5015617 Avery SS Firewall Pass-Thru]):<br>[[File:Avery SS Pass-Thru.png\|304x304px]]		* Many people have used the following pass-thru with the RV-10 (at Spruce: [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/ssfirewallkit12-04762.php?clickkey=5015617 Avery SS Firewall Pass-Thru]):<br>[[File:Avery SS Pass-Thru.png\|304x304px]]
	* If you plan to install electronic injection (SDS or EFII) or a fuel purge valve, mirror the 9/16 hole over to the left side as you will need two.		* If you plan to install electronic injection (SDS or EFII) or a fuel purge valve, mirror the 9/16 hole over to the left side as you will need two.
	==== Step 4 ====		===== Step 4 =====
	* Several builders are reporting that part WD-1002-L-PC / WD-1002-R-PC is being labelled incorrectly. If you ended up with two of the same kind, Vans will be happy to swap them out.		* Several builders are reporting that part WD-1002-L-PC / WD-1002-R-PC is being labelled incorrectly. If you ended up with two of the same kind, Vans will be happy to swap them out.

	==== Step 5 ====		===== Step 5 =====
	It mentions fourteen K1000-3 nutplates but there aren't nearly that many shown on Figure 2. There are fifteen shown on page 27-5. I believe it is referring to all of the K1000-3s shown on 27-5 except the one on the F-1001G-R Gusset.		It mentions fourteen K1000-3 nutplates but there aren't nearly that many shown on Figure 2. There are fifteen shown on page 27-5. I believe it is referring to all of the K1000-3s shown on 27-5 except the one on the F-1001G-R Gusset.

	==== Step 6 ====		===== Step 6 =====
	It mentions in Step 7 (and on page 27-5) that two of the nutplates are mounted on the forward side of the firewall. You will want to dimple opposite for the nutplate at the lower center of the firewall that is mounted on the forward side. The other nutplate that is mounted on the forward side is behind F-1001B so does not need to be dimpled on either side of F-1001A.		It mentions in Step 7 (and on page 27-5) that two of the nutplates are mounted on the forward side of the firewall. You will want to dimple opposite for the nutplate at the lower center of the firewall that is mounted on the forward side. The other nutplate that is mounted on the forward side is behind F-1001B so does not need to be dimpled on either side of F-1001A.

	One of the nutplates mounted to F-1001B is mounted on the forward side of the firewall, which means you don't need to countersink the mounting holes into F-1001B for that one nutplate (as shown on page 27-5).		One of the nutplates mounted to F-1001B is mounted on the forward side of the firewall, which means you don't need to countersink the mounting holes into F-1001B for that one nutplate (as shown on page 27-5).

	==== Step 7 ====		===== Step 7 =====
	*Note when riveting F-1001M Left Side Angle, you need to leave the 2 holes that intersect the Oil Cooler Box Attach Holes open so that they can be used to attach the oil cooler in Section FF1-2		*Note when riveting F-1001M Left Side Angle, you need to leave the 2 holes that intersect the Oil Cooler Box Attach Holes open so that they can be used to attach the oil cooler in Section FF1-2

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	* Step 1: be careful not to get too close to the nutplate pattern at the top of F-1048-R.		* Step 1: be careful not to get too close to the nutplate pattern at the top of F-1048-R.
	* Part F-1051J Scat Tube Support is installed on Page 50-2, Step 1.		* Part F-1051J Scat Tube Support is installed on Page 50-2, Step 1.


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	* Step 1: In order to nest the aluminum and steel parts and make the holes align, it's necessary to file F-1001E-L/R as indicated in figure 1.		* Step 1: In order to nest the aluminum and steel parts and make the holes align, it's necessary to file F-1001E-L/R as indicated in figure 1.
	* Step 1: The WD-1004 nose gear tension fitting is the same part for left and right. The tooling hole will be on the upper rib on the left and the lower rib on the right side.		* Step 1: The WD-1004 nose gear tension fitting is the same part for left and right. The tooling hole will be on the upper rib on the left and the lower rib on the right side.
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	** Check for a potential gap between the WD-1004 Nose Gear Tension Fittings and the firewall. If so, check for interference between the flange of the center angle and the F-1001C lower channel. The center angle and channel must be sitting flush with each other relative to the firewall. See also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/7594620740658959 FB post].		** Check for a potential gap between the WD-1004 Nose Gear Tension Fittings and the firewall. If so, check for interference between the flange of the center angle and the F-1001C lower channel. The center angle and channel must be sitting flush with each other relative to the firewall. See also this [https://www.facebook.com/groups/vansrv10/posts/7594620740658959 FB post].

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	Step 2: I don't know how you are supposed to rivet F-1039D to the firewall recess. My rivet gun won't fit into the recess. I used a double-offset back rivet head (not included in the standard tool kits for RV-10) on the inside of the firewall but it wasn't the cleanest rivet job.		Step 2: I don't know how you are supposed to rivet F-1039D to the firewall recess. My rivet gun won't fit into the recess. I used a double-offset back rivet head (not included in the standard tool kits for RV-10) on the inside of the firewall but it wasn't the cleanest rivet job.

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	* You might want 1ft of [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/koolmat.php koolmat] (see below)		* You might want 1ft of [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/koolmat.php koolmat] (see below)
	* Consider how you want to pass control cables through the firewall (more details below)		* Consider how you want to pass control cables through the firewall (more details below)
			* Consider putting one or two [https://www.airward.com/products/rv-10-tunnel-access-cs-screws-rv-10-tunnel-access-w-countersunk-screws side-access panels] for easier access to the tunnel later without having to remove the forward top cover.

	=== Firewall Breakdown ===		=== Firewall Breakdown ===

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	~~'''Note: the firewall will really cut you up until you thoroughly deburr it; just another note here if you don't take the note seriously in the manual.'''~~

	=== Build Instruction Updates ===		=== Build Instruction Updates ===
	* N/A		* N/A
	Check for more recent updates [https://www.vansaircraft.com/service-information-and-revisions/?aircraft=rv-10&doctype=revisions-changes&sort=date here]		Check for more recent updates [https://www.vansaircraft.com/service-information-and-revisions/?aircraft=rv-10&doctype=revisions-changes&sort=date here]

			'''Note: the firewall will really cut you up until you thoroughly deburr it; just another note here if you don't take the note seriously in the build instructions.'''

	=== Videos ===		=== Videos ===
	* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1PJQr3pZk Austin Manke: RV-10 Firewall - Section 27]		* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY1PJQr3pZk Austin Manke: RV-10 Firewall - Section 27]
	=== ~~Supplies~~ ===
	* Suggest using ~~this~~ instead of fuel tank sealant in/around the firewall (I used it around F-1039D and in the next chapter on the lower flange of the firewall): https://~~www.aircraftspruce~~.com/~~catalog~~/~~appages/firewall2000caulk.php~~		=== Before You Start ===
			Special/New Tools/Supplies

			* Suggest using [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000caulk.php Fire Caulk] instead of fuel tank sealant in/around the firewall (it can be used around F-1039D and in the next chapter on the lower flange of the firewall)
			* You may need a [https://cleavelandtool.com/products/12-long-double-offset-back-rivet-set double-offset back rivet set] that wasn't mentioned in the official tool list

			Modifications to Consider

	* Consider upgrading the TG-10-R and TG-10-L cabin heat selector boxes to stainless steel: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/heaterbypass3.php		* Consider upgrading the TG-10-R and TG-10-L cabin heat selector boxes to stainless steel: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/heaterbypass3.php
	* ~~I found that I~~ needed ~~a double-offset back rivet set that wasn't mentioned~~ in the ~~official tool list~~: https://~~cleavelandtool~~.com/~~products~~/12-~~long-double-offset-back-rivet-set~~		* It's not needed in this section but while ordering the stainless heat selector boxes, consider getting a [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pnpages/AN837-6.php steel fuel fitting] and [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/pnpages/AN924-6.php steel nut]
	* You might want 1ft of ~~this (see below):~~ https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/koolmat.php		* You might want 1ft of [https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/koolmat.php koolmat] (see below)
			* Consider how you want to pass control cables through the firewall (more details below)

	=== Firewall Breakdown ===		=== Firewall Breakdown ===

Kirkbauer at 14:25, 20 January 2025

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	* Step 5: Note that F-1001G-L gusset has a nutplate pattern but it isn't shown on the plans. I believe you do not need a nutplate on the left version (but you do need one on the F-1001G-R).		* Step 5: Note that F-1001G-L gusset has a nutplate pattern but it isn't shown on the plans. I believe you do not need a nutplate on the left version (but you do need one on the F-1001G-R).
	* Step 6: The manual doesn't spell out that you need to dimple the screw holes of the K1100-08 nutplates along the top (but not the screw holes for the K1000-08 nutplates along the bottom). See page 26-2, step 5 as reference.		* Step 6: The manual doesn't spell out that you need to dimple the screw holes of the K1100-08 nutplates along the top (but not the screw holes for the K1000-08 nutplates along the bottom). See page 26-2, step 5 as reference.
			* Step 6: Pay attention that the nutplates on the top edge of F-1048-L and F-1048-R are on the inside of the tunnel, while the nutplates that are on the bottom edge are on the outside of the tunnel (they will be under the front floors). At least one builder has put all nutplates on the inside of the tunnel even though the pictures clearly show otherwise.
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	** If you are planning to use the Andair fuel selector you might want to hold off riveting the F-1048C-1 Fuel Valve Bracket to the fwd fuselage ribs, as the Andair selector does not fit this bracket.		** If you are planning to use the Andair fuel selector you might want to hold off riveting the F-1048C-1 Fuel Valve Bracket to the fwd fuselage ribs, as the Andair selector does not fit this bracket.